MC4H have you considered teaching accounting, while on maternity leave? Seems that a lot of much-needed changes are finally happening (high-res screens, much thinner profiles). Learn how your comment data is processed. I was afraid to be a failure for my parents. The engineering group was small and still very “family” oriented. But at least I took courage and I know it’s gonna be worth it. See if you’re really near the bottom. Industry Talk: Structural Optimization That Architects Don’t Hate One class that we look forward to about collaboration is this structural optimization session. I never got to enjoy any of the engineering classes, and my GPA once dropped near the drop-out level. If I could have stayed at this level, I probably would still be an engineer. Been in software engineering field for 12 years and looking forward to financial freedom. I told my parents while they are still alive back then and they told me it’s really risky and dangerous and I said to them back then I’m ready to die fighting for my country, “WOW HOW NOBLE I AM BACK THEN” hahahaha just sharing. And still took chemical engineering. Don’t get tied down to your engineering career. I’d value your perspective.” “The hiring committee sure got it right bringing you on board. Thank you again for sharing – this is valuable. Most people don’t have the planning or forethought as you had, so that’s why I enjoy following your journey. So, I’ve cut my hours down to half time at work (I do have a great manager! My new department head was very demanding and I left shortly after that. I guess I shouldn’t complain as I’m paid well yet I’m constantly brainstorming for what other new careers/small businesses I can start. Structural engineering is the subfield of civil engineering concerned with the strength and stability of buildings, bridges, airplanes, vehicles and other structures. I asked her, then she told me about the engineering and it’s major. In Syracuse, Carrier’s union chased the manufacturing out of state and country, but R&D remains. My words of wisdom to any reader here is, Beware the Big Corporation. However, the company wants their senior engineers to lead and work through others. I work at a big tech company as an engineer. It is much much better than working for a big corporation. Just be faithful and have patience, then He will make you realize what you really need to know and do. Were you the one supporting the family mainly for 15 years? A consistent thread seems to be that engineering should be abandoned as a career field. But I decided that all my hardworks and efforts would be a waste if I don’t finish what I started. PA sounds like a good career too. I am 49 and have been an engineer for 20 years now and want to change professions. I majored in Electrical Engineering at Purdue and worked for Intel as a Process Engineer for about 5 years. And it permeates the entire environment, like a really smelly fart. I think that is good advice for any career since you won’t be the same person at 40 that you are at 25. Each employer may be slightly different, but I believe there are examples of success in each that demonstrate a reasonable work-life balance can be achieved at even the highest ranks. I used to enjoy being in the manufacturing plant, troubleshooting complex problems, getting that high at the end of the shift that we banged something out or whatever. Let me tell you my story. Unlike IT groups, there is little long-term planning. I don’t think I can retire until I’m 55. I do not like the prospect of working 60-80 hours/week with a family but my family comes before work and I would end up quitting like you did in that case as well. I probably should have moved to the Bay Area when I was young. I have no idea, quite frankly I don’t care at the moment…. On the other hand, if one’s a doctor, one needs to specialize, to stay employable at his/her expected rate of compensation. However, don’t you think it would be prudent to find another job before quitting, especially in this very difficult, ultra-competitive job market? The feeling you want to give them back with love and all the things they deserve because of their unconditonal love and sacrifices. But, if you have the skill of convincing people, why not just be a sales person? Phd’s were laid off the year before me (especially those over 40, which most were). I’ve only been there three months and it seemed like three years. This may be why almost everybody in a technical role gets laid off eventually, if they stay long enough; mall companies, big companies – it doesn’t matter. 10 – How much does it cost to have an inspection done by a structural engineer? I really enjoyed that time with my son, but I’m glad he’s growing up too. My fear is growing complacent and wasting 10 more years only to wake up one day and be let go because they’ve hired an inexperienced college grad to replace me, which is how I got this job anyway…. I think this applies as a general rule in terms of progressing the corporate ladder – it’s becomes more about building relationships and rapport and less about the technical aspects. His writing is atrocious, though. Sitting at a desk from 8-5, and an occasional unpaid weekend (benefits of salary exempt) are no longer appealing to me. The company can always hire more engineers. I no longer care for it, actually I hate it and every time I hear any IT slang it makes me cringe. My parents also had to spend sh*t load of money for my education, and I believe they even loaned money from the bank. We are the problem solvers. Hourly, that comes out to a $19.23 wage. Anyway, life goes on. You’ll find plenty of opportunities. If you find the right company and culture, you might last a bit longer and have a chance to build your wealth. Good luck! I can definitely respect RB40’s decision to move on. I hate to say it, but I think publishing in Structural Health Monitoring is a better choice. Good luck! I’m sure you made the right choice for you, though. I work for a pretty good company, the work is enjoyable, and my boss is awesome. So after a total of 7 years in the engineering field, my resignation letter is in and not so shocking my replacement has already been identified. Just curious. If it’s not something you enjoy, then maybe it’s time to look for other alternatives. The early years in my career were tough as it was hard to find a job I enjoyed, but after four career switches (different companies, and different positions in engineering), I think I am in a pretty good place. Most engineers are very resourceful and I’m sure they can function even without an engineering job. Also I forgot to mention I will have to serve in the military if I give up on the engineering grad school (that’s how it works in Korea. The other stuff wasn’t important to me. Maybe you are on to something with the small firm vs. large company though…. The only difference was the sign on the front door! So I’m trying to make a big decision whether I should go to graduate school or just finish my military duty, possible as an interpretation officer, and find out my true passion. We’ve discovered that he’s a scanner… he likes to do new things all the time, so he’s thinking he wants to do contract work. You are way too young to worry about your age and layoffs. I make a little money with my blog. I was contacted by Edwards Jones last year to join them as a financial adviser but I really didn’t want to do door to door sales. It’s no fun when you have a family though. I am feeling very happy about going through this article. (Although I’m scared that I might end up serving as a private and forget my engineering knowledge and English.). This is basically an inevitable trend but unlike STEM, no one is predicting a shortage of pharmacists anymore. Most skilled blue collar jobs pay equal to or more than most engineering jobs. Goodluck to the future, Engineers!! If you changed mid-semester and did not complete those 19 credits, I understand you may be done. Hi, I loved the way you highlighted all the points. It’s because some MBA clique pushed these guys around, stealing credit for other ppl’s work, and thus, formed a protection layer between technical leads and the executive suites. This will be my main income stream over the next 5 years as I work on building up my passive income. * The lack of opportunities to move up the corporate ladder because of misconceptions about techies and engineers – engineers liked to go in a room by themselves and just code or build things. When I had the right manager who know what I could do, it was fine. It is good. I’m seriously considering getting out altogether because this same scenario has happened to me too many times in a row. KB Home cut corners even more reducing the foundations to a 'monolithic foundation,' and then, cut our 50% of the structural engineer's required steel ("4 feet on center rather than 2 feet on center") with knowledge of the problematic soils. With your degree, they should maximize your usage somehow. Most companies expect senior personnel to engage in quasi-managerial activities to some extent, but Intel codifies this explicitly in upper grade level expectations at a high level (although this usually isn’t obvious to outsiders based upon published job descriptions). I agree with him, if you study engineering, you will not enjoy video games as before. I’ve got my exit plan, I’ve got a dream to make my hobby, photography, into a profession. That’s why I said I’m not a good fit for the job anymore. It is a high stress job with little flexibility and constant demand for after hours work that is not sustainable. Back in high school, I learned how to pass subjects even when I despise the subjects. The next group, the largest with 50% of the employees, gets from 0% to 1% above inflation. Law gives you a lot of freedom and a VERY good social life. While it may be true that you COULD move somewhere else and live cheaper and be financially independent (which is really the core issue, not retirement), you aren’t choosing to do this because it doesn’t make sense for your life choices. Now that you’ve realized that’s the wrong choice, maybe you should consider what you’d realistically like to see yourself doing and pursue that. Have you never considered that it might be better to be paid even when you’re not working? Then I was so curious what’s her doing. these were capable people and the whole thing is heartless. Hey there, I am Smith, I have points and question to ask, There are many Structural Engineering Software Programs available, which can easily be found by performing a google search. Joy. I was too laid back and I hated telling people what to do. I’m pretty sure there’s something which could match your background. We build new things. So, no, when I stopped working, I wasn’t supporting us. Seems like you’ve put in a lot of time in your education and experience, and I’m sure there are other’s who’d pay for your knowledge. One quote I love is: be the leading actor of your own life. I really wanted to pursue creative writing, but I started to love ChE, and decided to pursue it. What other things do you do now as a home-stay father? I work for a pretty good company, the work is enjoyable, and my boss is awesome. I even envy you because you really know right from the start what you really want. I fell into that whole “pick a career that relates to things you like” theme when I entered college. I liked it because it was all about logic. Business people think things very different from technical people. There is a fair amount of pressure but not constantly (only close to release deadlines) and my team (and boss) do not expect me to clock in hours on weekend so ideally I shouldn’t have anything to complain about and should be thankful for where I am at. Would it be worth it when engineering job do not fit my lifestyle, interest, and talent? I find that many companies lose sight of what is important with employees and end up pushing them out the door. It keeps life more interesting. (Granted, it was a high school in South Central LA, but still…) Once we got through that difficult freshman year, everyone was able to complete their Bachelor’s degree. My parents both studied science/engineering and are professionals in those fields. I am 52, and there is no way I can retire any time soon. When they granted me a pay increase, they held on to my paperwork for four months so I didn’t get a pay increase for five months after it was granted. Money can make up for a job you don’t like for a few years. ECE engineers are being laid off or outsourced, I do not want to be unemployed. Stories like this are why I’m saving as much as I can now. While I loved the military, this is zero stress comparitively. I know many people who are quite happy with their job. I suggest trying to incorporate creative projects in your personal life, start small. I spent a ton of time with our son when he was young. My 2nd company, got bought and I dont want to relocate. I come from a family of doctors and sometimes I feel very inconsequential compared to them. As many of my fellow Civil engineers, I got to the point of regretting my career choice, after 10 years our niche is less respected than ever. That’s all there is I hope I answered your questions because I’ve been there also man. Many of my friends have troubles too, but it’s much easier if you are in the right area. The question is: Can YOU support your family as a retiree? More or less same for me. I’ll only work on what I want to from now on and will never go back to working for a corporation. I’d really appreciate your insight on the matters. “once things get too bad, we may as well open up a dive shop and Dairy Queen in Palau and call it good” Heck, there have been times when I am in a grocery line and see the person bagging groceries and say to myself “man, I would love that level of stress for a day or two, it would be great”. As you can see from the 90% of people who dropped out around you, most people cannot get the degree. I don’t think there is any way to know if an engineering career is right for you unless you try it out. Being an engineer for over 23 year I no longer enjoy this type of work. I guess I should have held out for a vsp, but I couldn’t stand going into the office anymore. I was offered severance or a position back in engineering. My husband got promoted out of his technical job without even being interested or consulted. Then I made many letters saying that I promise that i will pass all my subjects and I will never fail. Many universities also run PhD programmes in the subject. You can pivot and change your career right now without losing much. Or whatever gets you up out of bed in the morning. Such success may come with significant financial compensation and personal recognition, but those rewards have to be something the individual wants or they will not find happiness. Ohm’s law had not been repealed, I became a PE for awhile (I gave that up after a cross country move – I don’t really need it for the work I do), and the C language is still in use and even taught to EE students at my alma mater. Despite this if things don’t work out for me, I think changing to a majorly research oriented BioMed engineering field would be a more likely option for me. Structural Engineer myths busted Myths… Myths, everywhere myths. One of the engineers I worked with that stumbled into work late after drinking the night before has turned things around. 4. Im taking BSEE and I don’t really want this. I too am not very good with science. Thus all construction projects must utilize the principles of structural engineering in order for the new building or structure to bear its own load and to be able to withstand the demands that will be placed upon it. Do you think I should continue studying engineering? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. After a couple of years you have gotten better at what you do, and you are asked to “manage” as well as execute. Very soon i will put myself out of this life. I absolutely hate structural engineering. It’s not enough to just be good at the technical side. 1. Im proud to say that Im civil engineering student and my goals is to become registered engineer in November 2018. , I love engineering, I love what I do. While I expect that phone interview, which I had to reschedule, to go nowhere, I am nonetheless preparing for it. There weren’t many of those guys left at my old company. I was pressured and intimidated into applying, so I did. I have tried the freelancing side of things, but I know from that that its very difficult to get any kind of steady jobs rolling along. My parents already spent a lot for me already. I’m very sure if I had a different job role or just a bad manager that I’d hate my job too. My husband is in the military, and due to us moving so much plus our two kids who need more stability than I could give them if I were working, too, I suppose I “retired” when the first one was born. Helps to have plenty of FU money and be close to FI. Now I have become mature enough and reached this stage in engineering school to question if I am made for this course, or if I want to become a chemical engineer. If the employee doesn’t put in the hours, management performs subtle tricks on that person (micromanaging, nitpicking) so they end up quitting. Not sure what to do………………. You’d have to compete with 20 something kids who don’t mind spending 80 hours on the job. Feel free to email me or comment more here. A lot of people retire early with rentals. In my current job, I was hired for my analog background. These people are not in front of the computer 10 hours daily. This semester I ended up taking 19 credits of senior level design courses and the projects were time consuming and intense. Intel does have a path for senior level individual contributors. I just find this a very strange sociological question. Unless you are a real Type-A .1% blue-chipper that is more accomplished than almost every other engineer around, you would be better served abandoning the technical toolset and craft that you painstakingly developed in favor of a 100% commitment to project management or other type of job where you are not competing with younger and cheaper labor. Thirty years of being retired is a long time and I find that reentering the work force occasionally challenges me so that I keep my mental facilities sharp and fit. Chemical Engineer here, 7+ years of experience. Never felt better. That opens the door for everyone to be an expert because the design of Slab on Grades is not really based on sound engineering principles but rather standard of practice for your location and empirical evidence of what works over the decades. And I truly enjoy work which is mentally rewarding and not stressful where you connect with people at human level, which I think this field that I am, in is only getting harder and more stressful. . Oh man, it sounds like you work for one of the Megacorp. Many earn $110K and that’s on salary. But being about 10 years into my field, I will say that I have had my fair share of burnout since there is always something new to learn, to the point where your job is literally an endless parade of people showing you what you are doing wrong, and never getting anything fully correct. As I read this article, I’m trying to understand this … I’ve been doing all of the above, for the ALL of my life (not just for work, but also for school and extracurriculars) but yet, a bunch of senior executive MBAs need a memo on what I believe to be common sense, once you’ve been around for a while? Another idea was for him to look for other jobs where he could do something different and interesting while still using his engineer/analysis skills..He is a great people person and was told he was the best communicator in his group and the best project manager (because he is very good at working to bring together groups of people to a common goal) . Doesn’t look very promising from what I’ve read here and elsewhere on the internet. What I’ve found works is to ignore the advice that says you are also interviewing the company, because you’re not…you are basically begging for a job at this point. I was a terrible leader and things just didn’t work out well when I tried to be a manager. I have been working professionally for 20 years (this May 2015). I’m pretty happy with what my education and working life gave me. ), so hardly did they need to force anyone out via other methods. This engineer will provide structural drawings and calculations which will be used by your building contractor and architect during the renovation work. It will give you some cushion when you need to change. Structural engineers perform the following tasks: The only folks that make it out of IT with something to show for it are the Jobs, Gates, and Zuckerburgs of the world, as you will work your fingers to the bone to make the shareholders rich, and at the end of the day, be tossed to the side as a non-producer(remember all those reports and budgets they want you to do). I cannot move up the technical ladder because they will want me to lead projects (again) and work insane hours which I want to be done with now that I have 3 kids. Some people are happy with the corporate life, but it’s not for everyone. I really enjoyed it. Oh, yeah right; you want to become an engineer whatever it takes. Can you downsize your home or perhaps find some other way to cut expenses? But as the years flew by, things changed when there were dept reorgs and many managerial changes. I still consider myself retired. All that traveling sounds terrible. The upperclassmen can easily concur to this: the best kind of engineering freshman is one who is keeping it cool. Thanks for sharing. @Michael – Well done, sir. Hi! Good luck! They literally “rank” the employees from 1 to xxx in each pay level. It’s the stupidest way you can possibly generate income! The company I work acquired the branch I work with 7 years ago, and isn’t happy that the engineers under this branch work from home and would much rather have us in their stuffy office under micro management. If you only have a year left, maybe it’s better to grind it out. My technical skills are outdated now. Im also a Msc engineer, quite young and from other country where engineer is not so well payed. I suggest big blue chip companies that has a good track record of dividend growth. Maybe do like Limor “Ladyada” Fried did and start a company that supplies and educates electronics hobbyists. If you can get a position, I’d say go for it. On the surface, it may appear that pharmacy is another adjunct health care field, kinda like the ‘pill dispensing’ version of a nurse but it isn’t. I am glad to read you still stand by your decision almost after 2 years??? Maybe move to the Bay Area? It would probably be completely different at higher levels. Sure, I think of it like retiring from a career. I think you’re right about pharmacist. Its funny because I just graduated in December and I would love to do the exact opposite of you. I guess you can work for the federal biology department or become a professor with an Oceanography degree. I think most senior people who are strictly individual contributors will eventually get squeeze out though. Were you a star in your field and your reputation carried over, or is there some other explanation? Lack of interaction with people, no physical movement, and a mentally taxing job feels like I’m just selling my soul. There is one path I wouldn’t recommend to choose in order to have a good life and that is being a doctor. I am so excited about the future without engineering! The ultimate goal of an engineering career should be innovation and creativity; not financial independence through a pension plan. And then I decided to pursue it and finish it because I told myself ” I came to this far so why quit now? Our finance is in great shape at this point. Structural engineering is one of the most fundamental engineering disciplines because it deals directly with the structural integrity and strength of a building or structure. I will be starting school at 21. Short term, finding a new job may solve some problems but it won’t necessarily solve the root (only you will know). Good luck with everything. Interesting that you lost interest in laptops. I have performed poorly in the first exams in these classes after studying almost full days for each one. Would I encourage him to pursue a career in STEM? Good luck with changing your career. I hate my engineering career, where do I go from here? The first 7-8 years at Intel was great for me. I think mentoring the younger new engineers has been rewarding and made me realize I might like being a “professor” or something. However, it was getting difficult for us to get a helper who will look after our children while my husband and I are at work. I guess that’s why we need to keep learning new things. I think it’s pretty common. Really? I loved my job the first 10 years…I think all engineers do because you get better raises the first 7-10 years and don’t have a lot of responsibility or expectations placed upon you. Unfortunately the Korean military system has no interest in giving people with a diploma a chance to stay on course. You excised Corporate America bureaucracy from the equation. My wife does not work. Problem is what the tech industry now considers “senior” can be just 10 years of experience, which at Intel meant youngish engineers spending much of their time on these quasi-managerial tasks, instead of the engineering for which they were hired. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? But I just don’t want to do engineering anymore. Why is getting a job so dumb? and after a fantastic and profitable year, the gave the 5% back and called it your “raise”. Time is different now, that’s for sure. I now study pharmacy and it gives me a social life, and I love video games more than before as well as TV-shows and movies. T, I just wanted to check-in. In any “metric-driven’ company like ours they lead to the Controller. That’s what I’ll be graduating in next year and it’s refreshing to get a wise perspective from you on priorities and how it is out there. Also, my wife still works. Also, I promised my wife that we would settle down some day and stay in one place for longer than four years. The big problem in aerospace I see I when the 25+ year career guy retires no will replace him. My employer, a small defense contractor that is actually a branch of a holding company is having hard times. I retired because it was time to go because of age and to make room for others to move up. I am still confused though about what should I do? Step 1: Take the FE (Fundamentals of Engineering) Exam, an eight-hour test, after graduation from an accredited engineering program. I sometimes miss programming and other stuff and would like to work again because I still want to keep my brain working and due to self worth, you know. I have a MSEE and top grades too, but didn’t quite make $100k even though I was the lead SE on a multi-hundred million program. Occasionally, we’d work long stretches of 80+ hour weeks when the chips came back from the Fab. I just left Intel after 17 years as a design engineer. Conservation of our existing structures has obvious economic and social value. Or perhaps try a different career or start a business. I discovered that I was developing a health issue. One of them told us that about 80 % of us wouldn’t get jobs as engineers and I knew then that I would be in that 80%. What Is Chemical Engineering? Engineers are the ants, always working and doing the stuff, at least 10 hours daily. We are in our 30s and we have ok savings but it has not panned out as we expected. For instance: “I noticed that you’ve been working on/doing great things in ____. I worked for Intel while in college, and realized that company wasn’t for me. I would go for Oceanography! I wasn’t sad when they laid me off and gave me a severance. I have a good retirement, some money in the bank, and a good new career. However, dreams change and often do so with major life events (e.g. I hate (sorry about using a harsh word) people who create these myths. For the design of steel purlins for sheds, workshops, offices, funky industrial houses and a host of other steel structures, this manual by Lysaght is absolutely required. User #612749 686 posts. That said, maybe after your fatherhood-sabbatical, you can find your second-wind and find something else that works for you. I don’t want to end up like this. Without engineers designing diagnostic medical equipment, there would be no need for radiology technicians to operate machinery or mix solutions. I can totally relate to getting out of engineering. Work as an engineer for a few years and see if it’s bearable. We live frugally so our passive income covers our expenses. who cares how gasoline is made anyway? I have been in Engineering all my working life, over 30 years. Being a technical leader is not a problem for a number of engineers. or am I being reasonably feared? Good luck! I worked my whole life for this and made so many sacrifices because I was told how engaging, interesting, etc engineering is and I feel like it was all a lie. You can get a Computer Science degree and take all the PT requirement classes too. I don’t feel appreciated at work and frankly I am kind of sick having to do repetitive debug work. Being a senior engineer most of all the work load falls on my shoulders. I made some income from blogging. I like the thinner profile, but I will wait for the price to come down. When I graduated high school, I decided to major in Electrical and Computer Engineering (ECE.) It is a big waste of time that will eventually form you into an obedient dog of the system. No matter how attractive the salary is yet no dice probably should focus on finishing college and am living. 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